Nick Hanauer: Beware, fellow plutocrats, the pitchforks are coming

Recorded atAugust 06, 2014
EventTEDSalon NY2014
Duration (min:sec)20:12
Video TypeTED Stage Talk
Words per minute147.75 very slow
Readability (FK)40.64 very difficult
SpeakerNick Hanauer
CountryUnited States
Occupationentrepreneur
DescriptionAmerican businessman

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Synopsis

Nick Hanauer is a rich guy, an unrepentant capitalist — and he has something to say to his fellow plutocrats: Wake up! Growing inequality is about to push our societies into conditions resembling pre-revolutionary France. Hear his argument about why a dramatic increase in minimum wage could grow the middle class, deliver economic prosperity ... and prevent a revolution.

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100:03 You probably don't know me,
200:05 but I am one of those .01 percenters
300:09 that you hear about and read about,
400:11 and I am by any reasonable definition a plutocrat.
500:15 And tonight, what I would like to do is speak directly
600:18 to other plutocrats, to my people,
700:20 because it feels like it's time for us all
800:23 to have a chat.
900:25 Like most plutocrats, I too am a proud
1000:27 and unapologetic capitalist.
1100:30 I have founded, cofounded or funded
1200:33 over 30 companies across a range of industries.
1300:37 I was the first non-family investor in Amazon.com.
1400:41 I cofounded a company called aQuantive
1500:43 that we sold to Microsoft for 6.4 billion dollars.
1600:47 My friends and I, we own a bank.
1700:50 I tell you this — (Laughter) —
1800:53 unbelievable, right?
1900:54 I tell you this to show
2000:57 that my life is like most plutocrats.
2101:00 I have a broad perspective on capitalism
2201:03 and business,
2301:05 and I have been rewarded obscenely for that
2401:09 with a life that most of you all
2501:11 can't even imagine:
2601:13 multiple homes, a yacht, my own plane,
2701:16 etc., etc., etc.
2801:20 But let's be honest: I am not the smartest person you've ever met.
2901:23 I am certainly not the hardest working.
3001:26 I was a mediocre student.
3101:28 I'm not technical at all.
3201:29 I can't write a word of code.
3301:31 Truly, my success is the consequence
3401:34 of spectacular luck,
3501:37 of birth, of circumstance and of timing.
3601:42 But I am actually pretty good at a couple of things.
3701:46 One, I have an unusually high tolerance for risk,
3801:51 and the other is I have a good sense,
3901:53 a good intuition about what will happen in the future,
4001:56 and I think that that intuition about the future
4101:59 is the essence of good entrepreneurship.
4202:03 So what do I see in our future today,
4302:05 you ask?
4402:07 I see pitchforks,
4502:09 as in angry mobs with pitchforks,
4602:14 because while people like us plutocrats
4702:19 are living beyond the dreams of avarice,
4802:22 the other 99 percent of our fellow citizens
4902:25 are falling farther and farther behind.
5002:28 In 1980, the top one percent of Americans
5102:31 shared about eight percent of national [income],
5202:33 while the bottom 50 percent of Americans
5302:36 shared 18 percent.
5402:38 Thirty years later, today, the top one percent
5502:42 shares over 20 percent of national [income],
5602:45 while the bottom 50 percent of Americans
5702:47 share 12 or 13.
5802:50 If the trend continues,
5902:53 the top one percent will share
6002:54 over 30 percent of national [income]
6102:56 in another 30 years,
6202:58 while the bottom 50 percent of Americans
6303:00 will share just six.
6403:02 You see, the problem isn't that we have
6503:04 some inequality.
6603:06 Some inequality is necessary
6703:09 for a high-functioning capitalist democracy.
6803:12 The problem is that inequality
6903:14 is at historic highs today
7003:17 and it's getting worse every day.
7103:21 And if wealth, power, and income
7203:23 continue to concentrate
7303:25 at the very tippy top,
7403:27 our society will change
7503:29 from a capitalist democracy
7603:31 to a neo-feudalist rentier society
7703:35 like 18th-century France.
7803:37 That was France
7903:40 before the revolution
8003:42 and the mobs with the pitchforks.
8103:44 So I have a message for my fellow plutocrats
8203:46 and zillionaires
8303:48 and for anyone who lives
8403:49 in a gated bubble world:
8503:52 Wake up.
8603:53 Wake up. It cannot last.
8703:57 Because if we do not do something
8803:59 to fix the glaring economic inequities in our society,
8904:03 the pitchforks will come for us,
9004:06 for no free and open society can long sustain
9104:10 this kind of rising economic inequality.
9204:13 It has never happened. There are no examples.
9304:16 You show me a highly unequal society,
9404:18 and I will show you a police state
9504:19 or an uprising.
9604:21 The pitchforks will come for us
9704:23 if we do not address this.
9804:25 It's not a matter of if, it's when.
9904:29 And it will be terrible when they come
10004:32 for everyone,
10104:34 but particularly for people like us plutocrats.
10204:39 I know I must sound like some liberal do-gooder.
10304:42 I'm not. I'm not making a moral argument
10404:44 that economic inequality is wrong.
10504:48 What I am arguing is that rising economic inequality
10604:52 is stupid and ultimately self-defeating.
10704:56 Rising inequality doesn't just increase our risks
10804:59 from pitchforks,
10905:01 but it's also terrible for business too.
11005:05 So the model for us rich guys should be Henry Ford.
11105:09 When Ford famously introduced the $5 day,
11205:13 which was twice the prevailing wage at the time,
11305:16 he didn't just increase the productivity
11405:18 of his factories,
11505:20 he converted exploited autoworkers who were poor
11605:23 into a thriving middle class who could now afford
11705:26 to buy the products that they made.
11805:29 Ford intuited what we now know is true,
11905:33 that an economy is best understood as an ecosystem
12005:37 and characterized by the same kinds
12105:39 of feedback loops you find
12205:42 in a natural ecosystem,
12305:44 a feedback loop between customers and businesses.
12405:48 Raising wages increases demand,
12505:51 which increases hiring,
12605:53 which in turn increases wages
12705:55 and demand and profits,
12805:58 and that virtuous cycle of increasing prosperity
12906:02 is precisely what is missing
13006:05 from today's economic recovery.
13106:10 And this is why we need to put behind us
13206:14 the trickle-down policies that so dominate
13306:18 both political parties
13406:20 and embrace something I call middle-out economics.
13506:23 Middle-out economics rejects
13606:26 the neoclassical economic idea
13706:28 that economies are efficient, linear, mechanistic,
13806:32 that they tend towards equilibrium and fairness,
13906:35 and instead embraces the 21st-century idea
14006:39 that economies are complex, adaptive,
14106:42 ecosystemic,
14206:44 that they tend away from equilibrium and toward inequality,
14306:48 that they're not efficient at all
14406:50 but are effective if well managed.
14506:53 This 21st-century perspective
14606:56 allows you to clearly see that capitalism
14706:59 does not work by [efficiently] allocating
14807:02 existing resources.
14907:04 It works by [efficiently] creating new solutions
15007:10 to human problems.
15107:12 The genius of capitalism
15207:14 is that it is an evolutionary solution-finding system.
15307:19 It rewards people for solving other people's problems.
15407:25 The difference between a poor society
15507:28 and a rich society, obviously,
15607:30 is the degree to which that society
15707:33 has generated solutions in the form
15807:35 of products for its citizens.
15907:38 The sum of the solutions
16007:40 that we have in our society
16107:42 really is our prosperity, and this explains
16207:44 why companies like Google and Amazon
16307:46 and Microsoft and Apple
16407:49 and the entrepreneurs who created those companies
16507:52 have contributed so much
16607:55 to our nation's prosperity.
16707:58 This 21st-century perspective
16808:01 also makes clear
16908:03 that what we think of as economic growth
17008:06 is best understood as
17108:08 the rate at which we solve problems.
17208:10 But that rate is totally dependent upon
17308:13 how many problem solvers —
17408:17 diverse, able problem solvers — we have,
17508:20 and thus how many of our fellow citizens
17608:22 actively participate,
17708:24 both as entrepreneurs who can offer solutions,
17808:28 and as customers who consume them.
17908:32 But this maximizing participation thing
18008:36 doesn't happen by accident.
18108:38 It doesn't happen by itself.
18208:39 It requires effort and investment,
18308:43 which is why all
18408:46 highly prosperous capitalist democracies
18508:49 are characterized by massive investments
18608:51 in the middle class and the infrastructure
18708:54 that they depend on.
18808:57 We plutocrats need to get this
18908:59 trickle-down economics thing behind us,
19009:02 this idea that the better we do,
19109:04 the better everyone else will do.
19209:07 It's not true. How could it be?
19309:10 I earn 1,000 times the median wage,
19409:15 but I do not buy 1,000 times as much stuff,
19509:18 do I?
19609:19 I actually bought two pairs of these pants,
19709:22 what my partner Mike calls
19809:24 my manager pants.
19909:25 I could have bought 2,000 pairs,
20009:28 but what would I do with them? (Laughter)
20109:31 How many haircuts can I get?
20209:34 How often can I go out to dinner?
20309:38 No matter how wealthy a few plutocrats get,
20409:42 we can never drive a great national economy.
20509:46 Only a thriving middle class can do that.
20609:51 There's nothing to be done,
20709:53 my plutocrat friends might say.
20809:57 Henry Ford was in a different time.
20910:00 Maybe we can't do some things.
21010:03 Maybe we can do some things.
21110:06 June 19, 2013,
21210:09 Bloomberg published an article I wrote called
21310:13 "The Capitalist’s Case for a $15 Minimum Wage."
21410:18 The good people at Forbes magazine,
21510:21 among my biggest admirers,
21610:23 called it "Nick Hanauer's near-insane proposal."
21710:28 And yet, just 350 days
21810:31 after that article was published,
21910:33 Seattle's Mayor Ed Murray signed into law
22010:36 an ordinance raising the minimum wage in Seattle
22110:40 to 15 dollars an hour,
22210:42 more than double
22310:43 what the prevailing federal $7.25 rate is.
22410:48 How did this happen,
22510:50 reasonable people might ask.
22610:52 It happened because a group of us
22710:53 reminded the middle class
22810:55 that they are the source
22910:56 of growth and prosperity in capitalist economies.
23011:00 We reminded them that when workers have more money,
23111:04 businesses have more customers,
23211:05 and need more employees.
23311:07 We reminded them that when businesses
23411:10 pay workers a living wage,
23511:13 taxpayers are relieved of the burden
23611:15 of funding the poverty programs
23711:16 like food stamps and medical assistance
23811:19 and rent assistance
23911:21 that those workers need.
24011:23 We reminded them that low-wage workers
24111:26 make terrible taxpayers,
24211:29 and that when you raise the minimum wage
24311:31 for all businesses,
24411:33 all businesses benefit
24511:35 yet all can compete.
24611:37 Now the orthodox reaction, of course,
24711:39 is raising the minimum wage costs jobs. Right?
24811:43 Your politician's always echoing
24911:45 that trickle-down idea by saying things like,
25011:48 "Well, if you raise the price of employment,
25111:51 guess what happens? You get less of it."
25211:53 Are you sure?
25311:56 Because there's some contravening evidence.
25411:59 Since 1980, the wages of CEOs in our country
25512:04 have gone from about 30 times the median wage
25612:06 to 500 times.
25712:09 That's raising the price of employment.
25812:12 And yet, to my knowledge,
25912:15 I have never seen a company
26012:17 outsource its CEO's job, automate their job,
26112:21 export the job to China.
26212:23 In fact, we appear to be employing
26312:25 more CEOs and senior managers than ever before.
26412:28 So too for technology workers
26512:32 and financial services workers,
26612:34 who earn multiples of the median wage
26712:37 and yet we employ more and more of them,
26812:39 so clearly you can raise the price of employment
26912:44 and get more of it.
27012:46 I know that most people
27112:48 think that the $15 minimum wage
27212:50 is this insane, risky economic experiment.
27312:54 We disagree.
27412:56 We believe that the $15 minimum wage
27512:58 in Seattle
27613:00 is actually the continuation
27713:01 of a logical economic policy.
27813:04 It is allowing our city
27913:06 to kick your city's ass.
28013:09 Because, you see,
28113:11 Washington state already has
28213:12 the highest minimum wage
28313:14 of any state in the nation.
28413:15 We pay all workers $9.32,
28513:18 which is almost 30 percent more
28613:20 than the federal minimum of 7.25,
28713:22 but crucially, 427 percent more
28813:26 than the federal tipped minimum of 2.13.
28913:30 If trickle-down thinkers were right,
29013:32 then Washington state should have massive unemployment.
29113:35 Seattle should be sliding into the ocean.
29213:38 And yet, Seattle
29313:41 is the fastest-growing big city in the country.
29413:45 Washington state is generating small business jobs
29513:49 at a higher rate than any other major state
29613:52 in the nation.
29713:54 The restaurant business in Seattle? Booming.
29813:58 Why? Because the fundamental law of capitalism is,
29914:02 when workers have more money,
30014:04 businesses have more customers
30114:05 and need more workers.
30214:07 When restaurants pay restaurant workers enough
30314:10 so that even they can afford to eat in restaurants,
30414:14 that's not bad for the restaurant business.
30514:17 That's good for it,
30614:18 despite what some restaurateurs may tell you.
30714:23 Is it more complicated than I'm making out?
30814:25 Of course it is.
30914:26 There are a lot of dynamics at play.
31014:28 But can we please stop insisting
31114:30 that if low-wage workers earn a little bit more,
31214:33 unemployment will skyrocket
31314:34 and the economy will collapse?
31414:36 There is no evidence for it.
31514:38 The most insidious thing
31614:40 about trickle-down economics
31714:42 is not the claim that if the rich get richer,
31814:44 everyone is better off.
31914:45 It is the claim made by those who oppose
32014:48 any increase in the minimum wage
32114:50 that if the poor get richer,
32214:52 that will be bad for the economy.
32314:54 This is nonsense.
32414:56 So can we please dispense with this rhetoric
32515:00 that says that rich guys like me
32615:03 and my plutocrat friends
32715:05 made our country?
32815:08 We plutocrats know,
32915:10 even if we don't like to admit it in public,
33015:12 that if we had been born somewhere else,
33115:14 not here in the United States,
33215:16 we might very well be just some dude standing barefoot
33315:19 by the side of a dirt road selling fruit.
33415:22 It's not that they don't have good entrepreneurs in other places,
33515:25 even very, very poor places.
33615:27 It's just that that's all
33715:28 that those entrepreneurs' customers can afford.
33815:33 So here's an idea for a new kind of economics,
33915:38 a new kind of politics
34015:39 that I call new capitalism.
34115:42 Let's acknowledge that capitalism
34215:44 beats the alternatives,
34315:46 but also that the more people we include,
34415:50 both as entrepreneurs and as customers,
34515:54 the better it works.
34615:56 Let's by all means shrink the size of government,
34716:00 but not by slashing the poverty programs,
34816:02 but by ensuring that workers are paid enough
34916:04 so that they actually don't need those programs.
35016:08 Let's invest enough in the middle class
35116:11 to make our economy fairer and more inclusive,
35216:14 and by fairer, more truly competitive,
35316:18 and by more truly competitive,
35416:20 more able to generate the solutions
35516:22 to human problems
35616:24 that are the true drivers of growth and prosperity.
35716:29 Capitalism is the greatest social technology
35816:33 ever invented
35916:34 for creating prosperity in human societies,
36016:37 if it is well managed,
36116:39 but capitalism, because of the fundamental
36216:42 multiplicative dynamics of complex systems,
36316:45 tends towards, inexorably, inequality,
36416:48 concentration and collapse.
36516:53 The work of democracies
36616:55 is to maximize the inclusion of the many
36717:00 in order to create prosperity,
36817:03 not to enable the few to accumulate money.
36917:07 Government does create prosperity and growth,
37017:10 by creating the conditions that allow
37117:13 both entrepreneurs and their customers
37217:16 to thrive.
37317:18 Balancing the power of capitalists like me
37417:21 and workers isn't bad for capitalism.
37517:24 It's essential to it.
37617:26 Programs like a reasonable minimum wage,
37717:28 affordable healthcare,
37817:30 paid sick leave,
37917:32 and the progressive taxation necessary
38017:35 to pay for the important infrastructure
38117:37 necessary for the middle class like education, R and D,
38217:41 these are indispensable tools
38317:44 shrewd capitalists should embrace
38417:46 to drive growth, because no one benefits from it
38517:50 like us.
38617:52 Many economists would have you believe
38717:54 that their field is an objective science.
38817:57 I disagree, and I think that it is equally
38918:00 a tool that humans use
39018:02 to enforce and encode
39118:04 our social and moral preferences and prejudices
39218:07 about status and power,
39318:11 which is why plutocrats like me
39418:14 have always needed to find persuasive stories
39518:18 to tell everyone else
39618:19 about why our relative positions
39718:23 are morally righteous and good for everyone:
39818:28 like, we are indispensable, the job creators,
39918:32 and you are not;
40018:34 like, tax cuts for us create growth,
40118:38 but investments in you
40218:40 will balloon our debt
40318:41 and bankrupt our great country;
40418:44 that we matter;
40518:46 that you don't.
40618:48 For thousands of years, these stories were called
40718:51 divine right.
40818:52 Today, we have trickle-down economics.
40918:56 How obviously, transparently self-serving
41019:00 all of this is.
41119:02 We plutocrats need to see
41219:05 that the United States of America made us,
41319:07 not the other way around;
41419:09 that a thriving middle class is the source
41519:11 of prosperity in capitalist economies,
41619:14 not a consequence of it.
41719:16 And we should never forget
41819:19 that even the best of us in the worst of circumstances
41919:23 are barefoot by the side of a dirt road selling fruit.
42019:28 Fellow plutocrats, I think it may be time for us
42119:31 to recommit to our country,
42219:33 to commit to a new kind of capitalism
42319:36 which is both more inclusive and more effective,
42419:40 a capitalism that will ensure
42519:42 that America's economy remains
42619:45 the most dynamic and prosperous in the world.
42719:49 Let's secure the future for ourselves,
42819:51 our children and their children.
42919:54 Or alternatively, we could do nothing,
43019:57 hide in our gated communities
43119:59 and private schools,
43220:02 enjoy our planes and yachts
43320:04 — they're fun —
43420:06 and wait for the pitchforks.
43520:08 Thank you.
43620:09 (Applause)
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