Greg Gage: Electrical experiments with plants that count and communicate

Recorded atApril 24, 2017
Duration (min:sec)09:16
Video TypeTED Stage Talk
Words per minute223.85 very fast
Readability (FK)73.37 very easy
SpeakerGreg Gage

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Neuroscientist Greg Gage takes sophisticated equipment used to study the brain out of graduate-level labs and brings them to middle- and high-school classrooms (and, sometimes, to the TED stage.) Prepare to be amazed as he hooks up the Mimosa pudica, a plant whose leaves close when touched, and the Venus flytrap to an EKG to show us how plants use electrical signals to convey information, prompt movement and even count.

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100:12 I'm a neuroscientist,
200:14 and I'm the co-founder of Backyard Brains,
300:16 and our mission is to train the next generation of neuroscientists
400:20 by taking graduate-level neuroscience research equipment
500:23 and making it available for kids in middle schools and high schools.
600:27 And so when we go into the classroom,
700:29 one way to get them thinking about the brain, which is very complex,
800:33 is to ask them a very simple question about neuroscience,
900:36 and that is, "What has a brain?"
1000:39 When we ask that,
1100:40 students will instantly tell you that their cat or dog has a brain,
1200:44 and most will say that a mouse or even a small insect has a brain,
1300:49 but almost nobody says that a plant or a tree
1400:51 or a shrub has a brain.
1500:54 And so when you push --
1600:56 because this could actually help describe a little bit
1700:59 how the brain actually functions --
1801:01 so you push and say,
1901:02 "Well, what is it that makes living things have brains versus not?"
2001:06 And often they'll come back with the classification
2101:08 that things that move tend to have brains.
2201:12 And that's absolutely correct.
2301:14 Our nervous system evolved because it is electrical.
2401:16 It's fast, so we can quickly respond to stimuli in the world
2501:19 and move if we need to.
2601:21 But you can go back and push back on a student,
2701:24 and say, "Well, you know, you say that plants don't have brains,
2801:27 but plants do move."
2901:28 Anyone who has grown a plant
3001:30 has noticed that the plant will move
3101:32 and face the sun.
3201:34 But they'll say, "But that's a slow movement.
3301:36 You know, that doesn't count. That could be a chemical process."
3401:39 But what about fast-moving plants?
3501:42 Now, in 1760, Arthur Dobbs, the Royal Governor of North Carolina,
3601:47 made a pretty fascinating discovery.
3701:49 In the swamps behind his house,
3801:52 he found a plant that would spring shut
3901:56 every time a bug would fall in between it.
4001:59 He called this plant the flytrap,
4102:02 and within a decade, it made its way over to Europe,
4202:05 where eventually the great Charles Darwin got to study this plant,
4302:09 and this plant absolutely blew him away.
4402:11 He called it the most wonderful plant in the world.
4502:13 This is a plant that was an evolutionary wonder.
4602:16 This is a plant that moves quickly,
4702:18 which is rare,
4802:19 and it's carnivorous, which is also rare.
4902:21 And this is in the same plant.
5002:22 But I'm here today to tell you
5102:24 that's not even the coolest thing about this plant.
5202:26 The coolest thing is that the plant can count.
5302:30 So in order to show that,
5402:31 we have to get some vocabulary out of the way.
5502:34 So I'm going to do what we do in the classroom with students.
5602:37 We're going to do an experiment on electrophysiology,
5702:41 which is the recording of the body's electrical signal,
5802:44 either coming from neurons or from muscles.
5902:46 And I'm putting some electrodes here on my wrists.
6002:49 As I hook them up,
6102:50 we're going to be able to see a signal
6202:52 on the screen here.
6302:54 And this signal may be familiar to you.
6402:56 It's called the EKG, or the electrocardiogram.
6502:58 And this is coming from neurons in my heart
6603:00 that are firing what's called action potentials,
6703:03 potential meaning voltage and action meaning it moves quickly up and down,
6803:07 which causes my heart to fire,
6903:08 which then causes the signal that you see here.
7003:11 And so I want you to remember the shape of what we'll be looking at right here,
7103:15 because this is going to be important.
7203:17 This is a way that the brain encodes information
7303:19 in the form of an action potential.
7403:21 So now let's turn to some plants.
7503:24 So I'm going to first introduce you to the mimosa,
7603:28 not the drink, but the Mimosa pudica,
7703:31 and this is a plant that's found in Central America and South America,
7803:35 and it has behaviors.
7903:37 And the first behavior I'm going to show you
8003:39 is if I touch the leaves here,
8103:41 you get to see that the leaves tend to curl up.
8203:45 And then the second behavior is,
8303:47 if I tap the leaf,
8403:49 the entire branch seems to fall down.
8503:51 So why does it do that?
8603:53 It's not really known to science.
8703:54 One of the reasons why could be that it scares away insects
8803:58 or it looks less appealing to herbivores.
8904:00 But how does it do that? Now, that's interesting.
9004:02 We can do an experiment to find out.
9104:04 So what we're going to do now,
9204:06 just like I recorded the electrical potential from my body,
9304:09 we're going to record the electrical potential from this plant, this mimosa.
9404:13 And so what we're going to do is I've got a wire wrapped around the stem,
9504:19 and I've got the ground electrode where?
9604:22 In the ground. It's an electrical engineering joke. Alright.
9704:25 (Laughter)
9804:26 Alright. So I'm going to go ahead and tap the leaf here,
9904:29 and I want you to look at the electrical recording
10004:31 that we're going to see inside the plant.
10104:34 Whoa. It is so big, I've got to scale it down.
10204:37 Alright. So what is that?
10304:38 That is an action potential that is happening inside the plant.
10404:41 Why was it happening?
10504:43 Because it wanted to move. Right?
10604:44 And so when I hit the touch receptors,
10704:47 it sent a voltage all the way down to the end of the stem,
10804:51 which caused it to move.
10904:52 And now, in our arms, we would move our muscles,
11004:54 but the plant doesn't have muscles.
11104:56 What it has is water inside the cells
11204:58 and when the voltage hits it, it opens up, releases the water,
11305:01 changes the shape of the cells, and the leaf falls.
11405:04 OK. So here we see an action potential encoding information to move. Alright?
11505:09 But can it do more?
11605:10 So let's go to find out.
11705:12 We're going to go to our good friend, the Venus flytrap here,
11805:15 and we're going to take a look at what happens inside the leaf
11905:19 when a fly lands on here.
12005:21 So I'm going to pretend to be a fly right now.
12105:24 And now here's my Venus flytrap,
12205:26 and inside the leaf, you're going to notice
12305:28 that there are three little hairs here, and those are trigger hairs.
12405:31 And so when a fly lands --
12505:32 I'm going to touch one of the hairs right now.
12605:35 Ready? One, two, three.
12705:39 What do we get? We get a beautiful action potential.
12805:41 However, the flytrap doesn't close.
12905:44 And to understand why that is,
13005:46 we need to know a little bit more about the behavior of the flytrap.
13105:49 Number one is that it takes a long time to open the traps back up --
13205:52 you know, about 24 to 48 hours if there's no fly inside of it.
13305:56 And so it takes a lot of energy.
13405:58 And two, it doesn't need to eat that many flies throughout the year.
13506:01 Only a handful. It gets most of its energy from the sun.
13606:04 It's just trying to replace some nutrients in the ground with flies.
13706:07 And the third thing is,
13806:09 it only opens then closes the traps a handful of times
13906:12 until that trap dies.
14006:14 So therefore, it wants to make really darn sure
14106:16 that there's a meal inside of it before the flytrap snaps shut.
14206:21 So how does it do that?
14306:23 It counts the number of seconds
14406:25 between successive touching of those hairs.
14506:29 And so the idea is that there's a high probability,
14606:31 if there's a fly inside of there, they're going to be quick together,
14706:35 and so when it gets the first action potential,
14806:37 it starts counting, one, two,
14906:38 and if it gets to 20 and it doesn't fire again,
15006:41 then it's not going to close,
15106:42 but if it does it within there, then the flytrap will close.
15206:45 So we're going to go back now.
15306:46 I'm going to touch the Venus flytrap again.
15406:48 I've been talking for more than 20 seconds.
15506:50 So we can see what happens when I touch the hair a second time.
15606:55 So what do we get? We get a second action potential,
15706:58 but again, the leaf doesn't close.
15807:00 So now if I go back in there
15907:02 and if I'm a fly moving around,
16007:04 I'm going to be touching the leaf a few times.
16107:06 I'm going to go and brush it a few times.
16207:08 And immediately,
16307:10 the flytrap closes.
16407:11 So here we are seeing the flytrap actually doing a computation.
16507:16 It's determining if there's a fly inside the trap,
16607:18 and then it closes.
16707:20 So let's go back to our original question.
16807:23 Do plants have brains?
16907:25 Well, the answer is no.
17007:27 There's no brains in here.
17107:28 There's no axons, no neurons.
17207:32 It doesn't get depressed.
17307:33 It doesn't want to know what the Tigers' score is.
17407:36 It doesn't have self-actualization problems.
17507:38 But what it does have is something that's very similar to us,
17607:41 which is the ability to communicate using electricity.
17707:44 It just uses slightly different ions than we do,
17807:47 but it's actually doing the same thing.
17907:49 So just to show you
18007:51 the ubiquitous nature of these action potentials,
18107:54 we saw it in the Venus flytrap,
18207:56 we've seen an action potential in the mimosa.
18307:59 We've even seen an action potential in a human.
18408:01 Now, this is the euro of the brain.
18508:04 It's the way that all information is passed.
18608:06 And so what we can do is we can use those action potentials
18708:09 to pass information
18808:11 between species of plants.
18908:13 And so this is our interspecies plant-to-plant communicator,
19008:17 and what we've done is we've created a brand new experiment
19108:20 where we're going to record the action potential from a Venus flytrap,
19208:24 and we're going to send it into the sensitive mimosa.
19308:27 So I want you to recall what happens
19408:28 when we touch the leaves of the mimosa.
19508:30 It has touch receptors that are sending that information
19608:33 back down in the form of an action potential.
19708:35 And so what would happen
19808:36 if we took the action potential from the Venus flytrap
19908:40 and sent it into all the stems of the mimosa?
20008:44 We should be able to create the behavior of the mimosas
20108:47 without actually touching it ourselves.
20208:49 And so if you'll allow me,
20308:51 I'm going to go ahead and trigger this mimosa right now
20408:54 by touching on the hairs of the Venus flytrap.
20508:58 So we're going to send information about touch from one plant to another.
20609:06 So there you see it.
20709:08 So --
20809:09 (Applause)
20909:15 So I hope you learned a little bit, something about plants today,
21009:18 and not only that.
21109:19 You learned that plants could be used to help teach neuroscience
21209:23 and bring along the neurorevolution.
21309:24 Thank you.
21409:26 (Applause)