Sugata Mitra: The child-driven education

Recorded atJuly 15, 2010
EventTEDGlobal 2010
Duration (min:sec)16:51
Video TypeTED Stage Talk
Words per minute175.31 medium
Readability (FK)67.32 very easy
SpeakerSugata Mitra
Occupationprofessor, writer, physicist
DescriptionIndian computer scientist, best known for his "Hole in the Wall" experiment

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Education scientist Sugata Mitra tackles one of the greatest problems of education -- the best teachers and schools don't exist where they're needed most. In a series of real-life experiments from New Delhi to South Africa to Italy, he gave kids self-supervised access to the web and saw results that could revolutionize how we think about teaching.

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100:17 Well, that's kind of an obvious statement up there.
200:19 I started with that sentence about 12 years ago, and I started in the context of developing countries, but you're sitting here from every corner of the world.
300:30 So if you think of a map of your country, I think you'll realize that for every country on Earth, you could draw little circles to say, "These are places where good teachers won't go."
400:43 On top of that, those are the places from where trouble comes.
500:48 So we have an ironic problem -- good teachers don't want to go to just those places where they're needed the most.
600:55 I started in 1999 to try and address this problem with an experiment, which was a very simple experiment in New Delhi.
701:06 I basically embedded a computer into a wall of a slum in New Delhi.
801:13 The children barely went to school, they didn't know any English -- they'd never seen a computer before, and they didn't know what the internet was.
901:21 I connected high speed internet to it -- it's about three feet off the ground -- turned it on and left it there.
1001:26 After this, we noticed a couple of interesting things, which you'll see.
1101:31 But I repeated this all over India and then through a large part of the world and noticed that children will learn to do what they want to learn to do.
1201:45 This is the first experiment that we did -- eight year-old boy on your right teaching his student, a six year-old girl, and he was teaching her how to browse.
1301:56 This boy here in the middle of central India -- this is in a Rajasthan village, where the children recorded their own music and then played it back to each other and in the process, they've enjoyed themselves thoroughly.
1402:12 They did all of this in four hours after seeing the computer for the first time.
1502:17 In another South Indian village, these boys here had assembled a video camera and were trying to take the photograph of a bumble bee.
1602:26 They downloaded it from, or one of these websites, 14 days after putting the computer in their village.
1702:36 So at the end of it, we concluded that groups of children can learn to use computers and the internet on their own, irrespective of who or where they were.
1802:48 At that point, I became a little more ambitious and decided to see what else could children do with a computer.
1902:57 We started off with an experiment in Hyderabad, India, where I gave a group of children -- they spoke English with a very strong Telugu accent.
2003:06 I gave them a computer with a speech-to-text interface, which you now get free with Windows, and asked them to speak into it.
2103:15 So when they spoke into it, the computer typed out gibberish, so they said, "Well, it doesn't understand anything of what we are saying."
2203:21 So I said, "Yeah, I'll leave it here for two months.
2303:23 Make yourself understood to the computer."
2403:27 So the children said, "How do we do that."
2503:29 And I said, "I don't know, actually."
2603:33 (Laughter)
2703:35 And I left.
2803:37 (Laughter)
2903:40 Two months later -- and this is now documented in the Information Technology for International Development journal -- that accents had changed and were remarkably close to the neutral British accent in which I had trained the speech-to-text synthesizer.
3003:56 In other words, they were all speaking like James Tooley.
3103:59 (Laughter)
3204:01 So they could do that on their own.
3304:03 After that, I started to experiment with various other things that they might learn to do on their own.
3404:09 I got an interesting phone call once from Columbo, from the late Arthur C. Clarke, who said, "I want to see what's going on."
3504:16 And he couldn't travel, so I went over there.
3604:19 He said two interesting things, "A teacher that can be replaced by a machine should be."
3704:26 (Laughter)
3804:28 The second thing he said was that, "If children have interest, then education happens."
3904:35 And I was doing that in the field, so every time I would watch it and think of him.
4004:39 (Video) Arthur C. Clarke: And they can definitely help people, because children quickly learn to navigate the web and find things which interest them.
4104:49 And when you've got interest, then you have education.
4204:52 Sugata Mitra: I took the experiment to South Africa.
4304:55 This is a 15 year-old boy.
4404:57 (Video) Boy: ... just mention, I play games like animals, and I listen to music.
4505:06 SM: And I asked him, "Do you send emails?"
4605:08 And he said, "Yes, and they hop across the ocean."
4705:12 This is in Cambodia, rural Cambodia -- a fairly silly arithmetic game, which no child would play inside the classroom or at home.
4805:22 They would, you know, throw it back at you.
4905:24 They'd say, "This is very boring."
5005:26 If you leave it on the pavement and if all the adults go away, then they will show off with each other about what they can do.
5105:34 This is what these children are doing.
5205:36 They are trying to multiply, I think.
5305:39 And all over India, at the end of about two years, children were beginning to Google their homework.
5405:46 As a result, the teachers reported tremendous improvements in their English -- (Laughter) rapid improvement and all sorts of things.
5505:56 They said, "They have become really deep thinkers and so on and so forth.
5605:59 (Laughter)
5706:02 And indeed they had.
5806:04 I mean, if there's stuff on Google, why would you need to stuff it into your head?
5906:10 So at the end of the next four years, I decided that groups of children can navigate the internet to achieve educational objectives on their own.
6006:18 At that time, a large amount of money had come into Newcastle University to improve schooling in India.
6106:25 So Newcastle gave me a call. I said, "I'll do it from Delhi."
6206:28 They said, "There's no way you're going to handle a million pounds-worth of University money sitting in Delhi."
6306:35 So in 2006, I bought myself a heavy overcoat and moved to Newcastle.
6406:42 I wanted to test the limits of the system.
6506:46 The first experiment I did out of Newcastle was actually done in India.
6606:50 And I set myself and impossible target: can Tamil speaking 12-year-old children in a South Indian village teach themselves biotechnology in English on their own?
6707:05 And I thought, I'll test them, they'll get a zero --
6807:08 I'll give the materials, I'll come back and test them -- they get another zero, I'll go back and say, "Yes, we need teachers for certain things."
6907:16 I called in 26 children.
7007:18 They all came in there, and I told them that there's some really difficult stuff on this computer.
7107:22 I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't understand anything.
7207:25 It's all in English, and I'm going.
7307:28 (Laughter)
7407:30 So I left them with it.
7507:32 I came back after two months, and the 26 children marched in looking very, very quiet.
7607:36 I said, "Well, did you look at any of the stuff?"
7707:39 They said, "Yes, we did."
7807:41 "Did you understand anything?" "No, nothing."
7907:44 So I said, "Well, how long did you practice on it before you decided you understood nothing?"
8007:50 They said, "We look at it every day."
8107:53 So I said, "For two months, you were looking at stuff you didn't understand?"
8207:55 So a 12 year-old girl raises her hand and says, literally, "Apart from the fact that improper replication of the DNA molecule causes genetic disease, we've understood nothing else."
8308:07 (Laughter) (Applause)
8408:16 (Laughter)
8508:19 It took me three years to publish that.
8608:21 It's just been published in the British Journal of Educational Technology.
8708:24 One of the referees who refereed the paper said, "It's too good to be true," which was not very nice.
8808:32 Well, one of the girls had taught herself to become the teacher.
8908:36 And then that's her over there.
9008:46 Remember, they don't study English.
9109:01 I edited out the last bit when I asked, "Where is the neuron?"
9209:04 and she says, "The neuron? The neuron," and then she looked and did this.
9309:09 Whatever the expression, it was not very nice.
9409:12 So their scores had gone up from zero to 30 percent, which is an educational impossibility under the circumstances.
9509:18 But 30 percent is not a pass.
9609:21 So I found that they had a friend, a local accountant, a young girl, and they played football with her.
9709:27 I asked that girl, "Would you teach them enough biotechnology to pass?"
9809:31 And she said, "How would I do that? I don't know the subject."
9909:33 I said, "No, use the method of the grandmother."
10009:35 She said, "What's that?"
10109:37 I said, "Well, what you've got to do is stand behind them and admire them all the time.
10209:44 Just say to them, 'That's cool. That's fantastic.
10309:46 What is that? Can you do that again? Can you show me some more?'"
10409:49 She did that for two months.
10509:51 The scores went up to 50, which is what the posh schools of New Delhi, with a trained biotechnology teacher were getting.
10609:58 So I came back to Newcastle with these results and decided that there was something happening here that definitely was getting very serious.
10710:10 So, having experimented in all sorts of remote places, I came to the most remote place that I could think of.
10810:16 (Laughter)
10910:19 Approximately 5,000 miles from Delhi is the little town of Gateshead.
11010:24 In Gateshead, I took 32 children and I started to fine-tune the method.
11110:30 I made them into groups of four.
11210:33 I said, "You make your own groups of four.
11310:35 Each group of four can use one computer and not four computers."
11410:38 Remember, from the Hole in the Wall.
11510:41 "You can exchange groups.
11610:43 You can walk across to another group, if you don't like your group, etc.
11710:47 You can go to another group, peer over their shoulders, see what they're doing, come back to you own group and claim it as your own work."
11810:53 And I explained to them that, you know, a lot of scientific research is done using that method.
11910:58 (Laughter) (Applause)
12011:07 The children enthusiastically got after me and said, "Now, what do you want us to do?"
12111:11 I gave them six GCSE questions.
12211:14 The first group -- the best one -- solved everything in 20 minutes.
12311:18 The worst, in 45.
12411:21 They used everything that they knew -- news groups, Google, Wikipedia, Ask Jeeves, etc.
12511:27 The teachers said, "Is this deep learning?"
12611:30 I said, "Well, let's try it.
12711:32 I'll come back after two months.
12811:34 We'll give them a paper test -- no computers, no talking to each other, etc."
12911:38 The average score when I'd done it with the computers and the groups was 76 percent.
13011:42 When I did the experiment, when I did the test, after two months, the score was 76 percent.
13111:50 There was photographic recall inside the children, I suspect because they're discussing with each other.
13211:57 A single child in front of a single computer will not do that.
13312:01 I have further results, which are almost unbelievable, of scores which go up with time.
13412:07 Because their teachers say that after the session is over, the children continue to Google further.
13512:14 Here in Britain, I put out a call for British grandmothers, after my Kuppam experiment.
13612:20 Well, you know, they're very vigorous people, British grandmothers.
13712:24 200 of them volunteered immediately.
13812:26 (Laughter)
13912:28 The deal was that they would give me one hour of broadband time, sitting in their homes, one day in a week.
14012:37 So they did that, and over the last two years, over 600 hours of instruction has happened over Skype, using what my students call the granny cloud.
14112:48 The granny cloud sits over there.
14212:51 I can beam them to whichever school I want to.
14313:00 (Video) Teacher: You can't catch me.
14413:02 You say it.
14513:05 You can't catch me.
14613:08 Children: You can't catch me.
14713:11 Teacher: I'm the gingerbread man.
14813:14 Children: I'm the gingerbread man.
14913:16 Teacher: Well done. Very good ...
15013:24 SM: Back at Gateshead, a 10-year-old girl gets into the heart of Hinduism in 15 minutes.
15113:30 You know, stuff which I don't know anything about.
15213:36 Two children watch a TEDTalk.
15313:38 They wanted to be footballers before.
15413:40 After watching eight TEDTalks, he wants to become Leonardo da Vinci.
15513:45 (Laughter) (Applause)
15613:51 It's pretty simple stuff.
15713:53 This is what I'm building now -- they're called SOLEs: Self Organized Learning Environments.
15813:58 The furniture is designed so that children can sit in front of big, powerful screens, big broadband connections, but in groups.
15914:06 If they want, they can call the granny cloud.
16014:09 This is a SOLE in Newcastle.
16114:11 The mediator is from Pune, India.
16214:13 So how far can we go? One last little bit and I'll stop.
16314:16 I went to Turin in May.
16414:20 I sent all the teachers away from my group of 10 year-old students.
16514:24 I speak only English, they speak only Italian, so we had no way to communicate.
16614:29 I started writing English questions on the blackboard.
16714:33 The children looked at it and said, "What?"
16814:35 I said, "Well, do it."
16914:37 They typed it into Google, translated it into Italian, went back into Italian Google.
17014:42 Fifteen minutes later -- next question: where is Calcutta?
17114:57 This one, they took only 10 minutes.
17215:04 I tried a really hard one then.
17315:07 Who was Pythagoras, and what did he do?
17415:12 There was silence for a while, then they said, "You've spelled it wrong.
17515:16 It's Pitagora."
17615:23 And then, in 20 minutes, the right-angled triangles began to appear on the screens.
17715:29 This sent shivers up my spine.
17815:32 These are 10 year-olds.
17915:47 Text: In another 30 minutes they would reach the Theory of Relativity. And then?
18015:50 (Laughter) (Applause)
18116:01 SM: So you know what's happened?
18216:03 I think we've just stumbled across a self-organizing system.
18316:07 A self-organizing system is one where a structure appears without explicit intervention from the outside.
18416:14 Self-organizing systems also always show emergence, which is that the system starts to do things, which it was never designed for.
18516:21 Which is why you react the way you do, because it looks impossible.
18616:26 I think I can make a guess now -- education is self-organizing system, where learning is an emergent phenomenon.
18716:33 It'll take a few years to prove it, experimentally, but I'm going to try.
18816:37 But in the meanwhile, there is a method available.
18916:40 One billion children, we need 100 million mediators -- there are many more than that on the planet -- 10 million SOLEs, 180 billion dollars and 10 years.
19016:51 We could change everything.
19116:53 Thanks.
19216:55 (Applause)