Lee Cronin: Making matter come alive

Recorded atJuly 13, 2011
EventTEDGlobal 2011
Duration (min:sec)14:49
Video TypeTED Stage Talk
Words per minute206.19 very fast
Readability (FK)58.24 easy
SpeakerLee Cronin

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Before life existed on Earth, there was just matter, inorganic dead "stuff." How improbable is it that life arose? And -- could it use a different type of chemistry? Using an elegant definition of life (anything that can evolve), chemist Lee Cronin is exploring this question by attempting to create a fully inorganic cell using a "Lego kit" of inorganic molecules -- no carbon -- that can assemble, replicate and compete.

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100:15 What I'm going to try and do in the next 15 minutes or so is tell you about an idea of how we're going to make matter come alive.
200:23 Now this may seem a bit ambitious, but when you look at yourself, you look at your hands, you realize that you're alive.
300:29 So this is a start.
400:31 Now this quest started four billion years ago on planet Earth.
500:34 There's been four billion years of organic, biological life.
600:38 And as an inorganic chemist, my friends and colleagues make this distinction between the organic, living world and the inorganic, dead world.
700:47 And what I'm going to try and do is plant some ideas about how we can transform inorganic, dead matter into living matter, into inorganic biology.
800:57 Before we do that, I want to kind of put biology in its place.
901:02 And I'm absolutely enthralled by biology.
1001:04 I love to do synthetic biology.
1101:06 I love things that are alive.
1201:08 I love manipulating the infrastructure of biology.
1301:10 But within that infrastructure, we have to remember that the driving force of biology is really coming from evolution.
1401:18 And evolution, although it was established well over 100 years ago by Charles Darwin and a vast number of other people, evolution still is a little bit intangible.
1501:28 And when I talk about Darwinian evolution, I mean one thing and one thing only, and that is survival of the fittest.
1601:34 And so forget about evolution in a kind of metaphysical way.
1701:38 Think about evolution in terms of offspring competing, and some winning.
1801:44 So bearing that in mind, as a chemist, I wanted to ask myself the question frustrated by biology: What is the minimal unit of matter that can undergo Darwinian evolution?
1901:56 And this seems quite a profound question.
2001:58 And as a chemist, we're not used to profound questions every day.
2102:02 So when I thought about it, then suddenly I realized that biology gave us the answer.
2202:08 And in fact, the smallest unit of matter that can evolve independently is, in fact, a single cell -- a bacteria.
2302:16 So this raises three really important questions: What is life?
2402:21 Is biology special?
2502:23 Biologists seem to think so.
2602:25 Is matter evolvable?
2702:27 Now if we answer those questions in reverse order, the third question -- is matter evolvable? -- if we can answer that, then we're going to know how special biology is, and maybe, just maybe, we'll have some idea of what life really is.
2802:41 So here's some inorganic life.
2902:43 This is a dead crystal, and I'm going to do something to it, and it's going to become alive.
3002:49 And you can see, it's kind of pollinating, germinating, growing.
3102:54 This is an inorganic tube.
3202:56 And all these crystals here under the microscope were dead a few minutes ago, and they look alive.
3303:00 Of course, they're not alive.
3403:02 It's a chemistry experiment where I've made a crystal garden.
3503:05 But when I saw this, I was really fascinated, because it seemed lifelike.
3603:10 And as I pause for a few seconds, have a look at the screen.
3703:15 You can see there's architecture growing, filling the void.
3803:18 And this is dead.
3903:20 So I was positive that, if somehow we can make things mimic life, let's go one step further.
4003:26 Let's see if we can actually make life.
4103:28 But there's a problem, because up until maybe a decade ago, we were told that life was impossible and that we were the most incredible miracle in the universe.
4203:37 In fact, we were the only people in the universe.
4303:41 Now, that's a bit boring.
4403:43 So as a chemist, I wanted to say, "Hang on. What is going on here?
4503:47 Is life that improbable?"
4603:49 And this is really the question.
4703:52 I think that perhaps the emergence of the first cells was as probable as the emergence of the stars.
4803:58 And in fact, let's take that one step further.
4904:01 Let's say that if the physics of fusion is encoded into the universe, maybe the physics of life is as well.
5004:09 And so the problem with chemists -- and this is a massive advantage as well -- is we like to focus on our elements.
5104:15 In biology, carbon takes center stage.
5204:18 And in a universe where carbon exists and organic biology, then we have all this wonderful diversity of life.
5304:25 In fact, we have such amazing lifeforms that we can manipulate.
5404:29 We're awfully careful in the lab to try and avoid various biohazards.
5504:33 Well what about matter?
5604:35 If we can make matter alive, would we have a matterhazard?
5704:38 So think, this is a serious question.
5804:40 If your pen could replicate, that would be a bit of a problem.
5904:45 So we have to think differently if we're going to make stuff come alive.
6004:49 And we also have to be aware of the issues.
6104:51 But before we can make life, let's think for a second what life really is characterized by.
6204:57 And forgive the complicated diagram.
6304:59 This is just a collection of pathways in the cell.
6405:02 And the cell is obviously for us a fascinating thing.
6505:06 Synthetic biologists are manipulating it.
6605:09 Chemists are trying to study the molecules to look at disease.
6705:12 And you have all these pathways going on at the same time.
6805:14 You have regulation; information is transcribed; catalysts are made; stuff is happening.
6905:20 But what does a cell do?
7005:22 Well it divides, it competes, it survives.
7105:26 And I think that is where we have to start in terms of thinking about building from our ideas in life.
7205:32 But what else is life characterized by?
7305:34 Well, I like think of it as a flame in a bottle.
7405:38 And so what we have here is a description of single cells replicating, metabolizing, burning through chemistries.
7505:46 And so we have to understand that if we're going to make artificial life or understand the origin of life, we need to power it somehow.
7605:53 So before we can really start to make life, we have to really think about where it came from.
7705:58 And Darwin himself mused in a letter to a colleague that he thought that life probably emerged in some warm little pond somewhere -- maybe not in Scotland, maybe in Africa, maybe somewhere else.
7806:09 But the real honest answer is, we just don't know, because there is a problem with the origin.
7906:15 Imagine way back, four and a half billion years ago, there is a vast chemical soup of stuff.
8006:20 And from this stuff we came.
8106:22 So when you think about the improbable nature of what I'm going to tell you in the next few minutes, just remember, we came from stuff on planet Earth.
8206:31 And we went through a variety of worlds.
8306:34 The RNA people would talk about the RNA world.
8406:37 We somehow got to proteins and DNA.
8506:39 We then got to the last ancestor.
8606:41 Evolution kicked in -- and that's the cool bit.
8706:44 And here we are.
8806:46 But there's a roadblock that you can't get past.
8906:49 You can decode the genome, you can look back, you can link us all together by a mitochondrial DNA, but we can't get further than the last ancestor, the last visible cell that we could sequence or think back in history.
9007:03 So we don't know how we got here.
9107:06 So there are two options: intelligent design, direct and indirect -- so God, or my friend.
9207:15 Now talking about E.T. putting us there, or some other life, just pushes the problem further on.
9307:21 I'm not a politician, I'm a scientist.
9407:24 The other thing we need to think about is the emergence of chemical complexity.
9507:28 This seems most likely.
9607:30 So we have some kind of primordial soup.
9707:32 And this one happens to be a good source of all 20 amino acids.
9807:36 And somehow these amino acids are combined, and life begins.
9907:42 But life begins, what does that mean?
10007:44 What is life? What is this stuff of life?
10107:47 So in the 1950s, Miller-Urey did their fantastic chemical Frankenstein experiment, where they did the equivalent in the chemical world.
10207:56 They took the basic ingredients, put them in a single jar and ignited them and put a lot of voltage through.
10308:03 And they had a look at what was in the soup, and they found amino acids, but nothing came out, there was no cell.
10408:10 So the whole area's been stuck for a while, and it got reignited in the '80s when analytical technologies and computer technologies were coming on.
10508:19 In my own laboratory, the way we're trying to create inorganic life is by using many different reaction formats.
10608:26 So what we're trying to do is do reactions -- not in one flask, but in tens of flasks, and connect them together, as you can see with this flow system, all these pipes.
10708:34 We can do it microfluidically, we can do it lithographically, we can do it in a 3D printer, we can do it in droplets for colleagues.
10808:41 And the key thing is to have lots of complex chemistry just bubbling away.
10908:46 But that's probably going to end in failure, so we need to be a bit more focused.
11008:52 And the answer, of course, lies with mice.
11108:54 This is how I remember what I need as a chemist.
11208:57 I say, "Well I want molecules."
11308:59 But I need a metabolism, I need some energy.
11409:02 I need some information, and I need a container.
11509:05 Because if I want evolution, I need containers to compete.
11609:09 So if you have a container, it's like getting in your car.
11709:13 "This is my car, and I'm going to drive around and show off my car."
11809:17 And I imagine you have a similar thing in cellular biology with the emergence of life.
11909:23 So these things together give us evolution, perhaps.
12009:26 And the way to test it in the laboratory is to make it minimal.
12109:30 So what we're going to try and do is come up with an inorganic Lego kit of molecules.
12209:35 And so forgive the molecules on the screen, but these are a very simple kit.
12309:39 There's only maybe three or four different types of building blocks present.
12409:41 And we can aggregate them together and make literally thousands and thousands of really big nano-molecular molecules the same size of DNA and proteins, but there's no carbon in sight.
12509:52 Carbon is banned.
12609:54 And so with this Lego kit, we have the diversity required for complex information storage without DNA.
12710:03 But we need to make some containers.
12810:05 And just a few months ago in my lab, we were able to take these very same molecules and make cells with them.
12910:10 And you can see on the screen a cell being made.
13010:13 And we're now going to put some chemistry inside and do some chemistry in this cell.
13110:16 And all I wanted to show you is we can set up molecules in membranes, in real cells, and then it sets up a kind of molecular Darwinism, a molecular survival of the fittest.
13210:28 And this movie here shows this competition between molecules.
13310:32 Molecules are competing for stuff.
13410:34 They're all made of the same stuff, but they want their shape to win.
13510:38 They want their shape to persist.
13610:40 And that is the key.
13710:42 If we can somehow encourage these molecules to talk to each other and make the right shapes and compete, they will start to form cells that will replicate and compete.
13810:51 If we manage to do that, forget the molecular detail.
13910:56 Let's zoom out to what that could mean.
14010:58 So we have this special theory of evolution that applies only to organic biology, to us.
14111:03 If we could get evolution into the material world, then I propose we should have a general theory of evolution.
14211:09 And that's really worth thinking about.
14311:12 Does evolution control the sophistication of matter in the universe?
14411:17 Is there some driving force through evolution that allows matter to compete?
14511:22 So that means we could then start to develop different platforms for exploring this evolution.
14611:29 So you imagine, if we're able to create a self-sustaining artificial life form, not only will this tell us about the origin of life -- that it's possible that the universe doesn't need carbon to be alive; it can use anything -- we can then take [it] one step further and develop new technologies, because we can then use software control for evolution to code in.
14711:49 So imagine we make a little cell.
14811:51 We want to put it out in the environment, and we want it to be powered by the Sun.
14911:55 What we do is we evolve it in a box with a light on.
15011:58 And we don't use design anymore. We find what works.
15112:01 We should take our inspiration from biology.
15212:03 Biology doesn't care about the design unless it works.
15312:07 So this will reorganize the way we design things.
15412:11 But not only just that, we will start to think about how we can start to develop a symbiotic relationship with biology.
15512:18 Wouldn't it be great if you could take these artificial biological cells and fuse them with biological ones to correct problems that we couldn't really deal with?
15612:27 The real issue in cellular biology is we are never going to understand everything, because it's a multidimensional problem put there by evolution.
15712:35 Evolution cannot be cut apart.
15812:38 You need to somehow find the fitness function.
15912:41 And the profound realization for me is that, if this works, the concept of the selfish gene gets kicked up a level, and we really start talking about selfish matter.
16012:51 And what does that mean in a universe where we are right now the highest form of stuff?
16112:56 You're sitting on chairs.
16212:58 They're inanimate, they're not alive.
16313:00 But you are made of stuff, and you are using stuff, and you enslave stuff.
16413:04 So using evolution in biology, and in inorganic biology, for me is quite appealing, quite exciting.
16513:12 And we're really becoming very close to understanding the key steps that makes dead stuff come alive.
16613:20 And again, when you're thinking about how improbable this is, remember, five billion years ago, we were not here, and there was no life.
16713:28 So what will that tell us about the origin of life and the meaning of life?
16813:33 But perhaps, for me as a chemist, I want to keep away from general terms; I want to think about specifics.
16913:39 So what does it mean about defining life?
17013:41 We really struggle to do this.
17113:43 And I think, if we can make inorganic biology, and we can make matter become evolvable, that will in fact define life.
17213:50 I propose to you that matter that can evolve is alive, and this gives us the idea of making evolvable matter.
17313:58 Thank you very much.
17414:00 (Applause)
17514:07 Chris Anderson: Just a quick question on timeline.
17614:11 You believe you're going to be successful in this project?
17714:13 When?
17814:15 Lee Cronin: So many people think that life took millions of years to kick in.
17914:19 We're proposing to do it in just a few hours, once we've set up the right chemistry.
18014:26 CA: And when do you think that will happen?
18114:28 LC: Hopefully within the next two years.
18214:31 CA: That would be a big story.
18314:33 (Laughter)
18414:35 In your own mind, what do you believe the chances are that walking around on some other planet is non-carbon-based life, walking or oozing or something?
18514:43 LC: I think it's 100 percent.
18614:45 Because the thing is, we are so chauvinistic to biology, if you take away carbon, there's other things that can happen.
18714:50 So the other thing that if we were able to create life that's not based on carbon, maybe we can tell NASA what really to look for.
18814:57 Don't go and look for carbon, go and look for evolvable stuff.
18915:00 CA: Lee Cronin, good luck. (LC: Thank you very much.)
19015:02 (Applause)